- Code of behavior discussion
- Mark: do we need to consider not meeting since Philip isn’t here and the board wanted Philip to attend meetings
- Ron/Jonathan: the feeling was that generally a time that Philip could make was important, but certainly being on vacation wouldn’t stop a meeting
- Daniel: when we have a membership, seems like they should not be held back from ron or Philip not being here
- Mike: wants to thank Daniel for bring up this issue
- Jonathan: would like to talk about the judiciary committee
- Mike: maybe we don’t want to put the chicken before the egg; we need to talk about what before the how; the code of behavior could be a mix of obeying the laws, a couple things specific to this place, following our own moral code, respecting each other; see the judiciary committee as less of a tattle tale scene and police state
- Ron: likes the idea that an individual should try to handle issues alone, then a small group gets together and tries to address it, then the person might come into the judiciary committee; the mediation is what we do – to deal with problems as a first step – this should be how we live; confused about how some rule should govern the membership separate from anyone who comes through the door; feels like we should try to define code of behavior even if it is short
- Daniel: thinks we should try to define a code of behavior; members would probably be held to slightly higher standards;
- Ron: seems like there are two topics – a code of behavior and a way to address infractions; seems like we should talk about code of behavior first
- Daniel: don’t want to lose that members might be held to a slightly higher standard – members might be “expected” to jump up and help if someone brings a food donation – something like this might be brought to the judiciary – the person who doesn’t ever get up and help
- Ron: some people are in a place in life where being a member might not be a good fit, but just being here might be important – we don’t want to lose this with membership
- Gary: understands we are trying to straighten things out so they can be the best they can; it has become more of a government since we are trying to work on membership – sad that we need to resort to these measures
- Ron: how is behavior here at OCP
- Mike: thanks Gary for saying that good morals should guide us; maybe we are looking at a motto of sorts, maybe a slogan – this would be our code – words could include: we try to obey all laws, show respect to each other, clean up after ourselves, and help out when we can – some people aren’t able to help out for various reasons – we would police ourselves
- Anna: really like the idea of obeying laws (for the most part); pretty important history especially if we are going to live as a Christian organization, there may be laws we choose not to follow; some of us might work to overturn access to abortion; there could be instances where we don’t follow certain laws
- Ron: if you are involved in a conflict, you have to attempt to mediation with the other person;
- Matt: thinks there should be some better mediator skills available – sometimes people say that because they haven’t heard a threat, it can’t be dealt with
- Ron: matt’s point brings up at that there needs to be some training for people doing mediation; non-violence might be a word we want to use in our code of behavior – makes Ron think of the Spirit of Jesus; maybe there is a something in our vision statement that we could pull out
- Mike: showing respect for each other covers a lot of ground; specific OCP rules might need to be included – drinking on the property for one; ideally, people would obey laws; we need to present ourselves as a law abiding community; its best that we operate with our own moral code – this would generally cover most of the ground; personal moral code might be in conflict with some laws, but we could include words like: we seek to, or “in general we follow all laws”
- Ron: would like a better word that “laws”; in nazi Germany, the government created laws that Christians could not follow; maybe someone wants to talk to someone selling drugs instead of turning him/her in; at Summerhill School in England, there are some basic rules, but basically, the community over time develops rules as the community sees fit; who knows what rules we might come up with that make sense over time – here one cant be alone in a room with a child that isn’t your own – these rules are different from this code of behavior; Summerhill has a large amount of rules because they have to live together every day
- Heather: maybe when we start disciplining people, we should start one-on-one; we shouldn’t call people out in front of the group; this will just lead to anger and start things off on the wrong path
- Daniel: think rules that develop will develop organically – it is hard to see what we might need in the future; would be better to develop process for making rules; like the idea of talking with someone in private first, maybe there are two or three people who get involved in mediation if one-on-one isn’t working; then if this doesn’t work, they come in front of the community at large – maybe not a specific judiciary team; rules will develop organically as things come up; there are some standard ones that we can decide on right away – no drinking on the property, not being alone in a room with a child
- Ron: we have talked about a code of behavior that might be a statement, maybe there are five or six rules that already exist, then there is some separation on how to address breaking rules
- Kris: seems like we need to address some issues like smoking pot in the building or drinking on the property just because someone believes it;
- Daniel: defining what is and isn’t right would be an ongoing process – we should establish a process for defining right and not; we might let someone come in stoned or drunk but not come in and smoke pot in the room;
- Ron: this whole experiment is about dynamic democracy – maybe nothing should be set in stone – when it comes to protocol that we need to establish, it would all be changeable; confused about laws; there is no way that we are going to let someone break the law when it comes to smoking pot; would like to see something that says we agree to resolve our differences
- Mark: likes the word protocol: what is going to make ocp function best on a day to day basis; we don’t need to look so cosmically about talking about following God’s law; there are things that we need to set as protocol – this place degenerates on some Thursday nights into mayhem – feels like there should be a rule about people coming here repeatedly drunk; we should focus on what would make ocp function the most smoothly – there should be some absolutes;
- Daniel: the importance of addressing why we are going to have to talk about all of these topics at once: code of behavior, rules, process for rule making, enforcement;
- Kris: when talking about code of behavior, this is about laws, rules;
- Ron: we keep talking about Mike’s statement which is illegible; could we get it on the board readable; to mark, what it to be the smoothest possible in the context of OCP vision
- Mike: sometimes we need to go to nuts and bolts and then back up to general;
- Alex: does our vision statement already encompass a “code of behavior” statement; this makes sense
- Mark: a little uncomfortable with the notion that here at OCP,
- Ron: not so sure the vision statement speaks to one’s behavior while at OCP; there could really be something to : as we are trying to be comprehensive with a statement that we are covering the few things that we feel like are the rules; maybe we should talk about the rules first
- Daniel: the rules is for people who don’t know how to act
- Gary: the word enforcement is important – we spent a whole month on these vary same issues when we shut down in September – we felt we had covered most of it, but this never addressed the enforcement issues, and the laws weren’t typed out and handed to each person; some people may know about some of the rules but not all of them, and there is nothing written for them to follow; sometimes it seems like there is a flexibility where rules bend sometimes – we need to rules to be stable and stick; we need some steady rules – these may need to be typed and handed out so people know what is expected; enforcement is definitely an issue that has never been addressed – people turn their head, act like they don’t work here
Monday, January 21, 2013
OCP Workshop 01/16/2013
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