Ron:
would like to see a change so that it says that no alcohol or drugs on
the property – even if you aren’t drinking, you still can’t have
alcohol on the property
Gary: wondering about coming in drunk?; intoxication at OCP
Kris: what falls under the category of drugs – even legal drugs could be abused;
Ron: what about “no alcohol or other intoxicants allowed on the property”
Mike: rule making is tricky and picking the right words; would argue for keeping it to a minimum number of words; no alcohol or other intoxicants is enough; minimal words, maximum efficiency
Gary: wonders about the rule of “no slander”
Ron: no one opposed to “no alcohol or other intoxicants”
Ron: “no guns or brandishing of weapons”
Philip: do we need something about “non-law enforcement”
Mike: there was a lot of discussion about “non-law enforcement”; had no idea that this applied of police – maybe needs to be discussed separately;
Philip: think we should imagine a world in which a police officer could be a part of this community – playing volleyball, doing whatever; these should all apply to police and everyone else
Gary: seems like we should have an alternative to calling to police – mediation; instead of hauling people off to jail
Philip: we could have an asterisk at the bottom to clarify that some people doing their jobs (like police, rescue, etc) might need to excluded from the rules in doing their jobs
Ron: “being alone with a child that is not your own or your grandchild”;
Kris: what about something special going on – does this include outside hours of ocp?;
Ron: what about babysitting?; have seen some pretty shady babysitting situations;
Gary: what if my sister was watching kobain; what about this
Kris: have we decided that it is just children under 18?;
Mike: a part of this is to get these things on record, so when the outside world looks in, people know that it is part of OCP – something we think about and value – this might take care of some of the wording; as soon as you start arranging babysitting, there are a whole different range of issues – if custody is given over to OCP, there are a whole host of issues that could arise;
Ron: Rachel Farrell would babysit and bring someone else’s child here; what about this issue?; what about someone’s aunt; what about when people start calling other people family but aren’t really blood relatives;
Gary: seems like if the people with the child are blood relatives, maybe this should be ok
Kris: babysitting – no adult is allowed to be alone with a child, without parental permission
Anna: first I was really against this rule, but got to thinking that there is no reason that someone babysitting should need to be alone with a child – maybe we could just be diligent about finding another person to be with us for diaper changing, screaming/going in the back room; this would allow us to keep the rule but realize that in a community, we need others to help us with our children sometimes
Philip: a lot of bad things happen even when a blood relative is involved – like the idea of Anna’s to hold us to a higher standard to keep kids safe
Mike: is it possible to make this a rule, or should it be in another list – of warnings or promises
Ron: this rule came about because as a staff, we made a conscious decision to allow sex offenders to be a part of our community because people on the sex offender registry have a very difficult time with many aspects of life; one incident with a child is too many, so the burden is on OCP to go to extreme lengths to make sure things are safe; this makes Ron see Anna’s speech about just always going above and beyond; we just make this the rule and we just always follow it here at OCP;
Mike: we could change this to a positive – “preserve and protect the safety of children at all times”;
Heather: Greigh babysits here a lot, and people leave their kids alone with her; sometimes you have to be alone with a child
Ron: for the church, the goal was always to have two people in the nursery at all times – that is just the rule of thumb now; as an ethic, if we over protect, we don’t create a situation where
Alex: agree with plain and simple rule: no child left alone with a child other than parents;
Anna: understanding even in law enforcement – they aren’t even ever alone in a room with a child; if that is a rule for them, seems like we should too; hard to imagine any reason that any adult needs to be alone with a child – you can always grab someone; strongly feel like we should keep it worded like it is
Gary: after hearing other comments, agree with the rule
Mike: the word room is not currently in the definition; apart from the wording, it is hard to come up with wording to cover everything; if we are about preserving child, anyone could be the abuser – even parents; is there a policy that we might adopt that has already been written?
Ron: culturally what happened with priests in the catholic church - turned out not to be true;
James: is there something that keeps two registered sex offenders from being alone with a child; asked alex about the camp policy
Mike: seems like there are lots of opportunities for people to be alone with a child; are we really going to take this rule seriously if someone calls Ron out about being alone with Rose in the building
Ron: we have some sort of protocol about people on the sex offender registry – our plan was to meet with a persons PO and make sure the person knows the policy of not being alone with a child; seems like we should still keep in the ability for a parent or grandparent to be alone with child here at OCP; “no adults alone with a child unless it is your child or grandchild” – parent, legal guardian, grand parent
Mike: seems like abuse comes from people closest to child; right now, the way the rule is written,
Ron: part of the reason for this rule was to give parents a piece of mind too – that we are thinking about the safety of children – so that law enforcement and social services –
Ron: the enforcement piece is important – if we don’t say parents can be alone, someone has to bring it up, and if someone has a legitimate reason to be here with a child that isn’t their own, as a dynamic democracy, we can always make an exception;
Mark: one of the things is about protecting children, but a large part is protecting an organization
Mike: the wording we are working with is: no adult alone with a child except parents, grandparents, legal guardians
Sadie: likes the wording that we don’t leave anyone out;
Ron: remembers the idea that there is a piece about parental responsibility that we should potentially be saying to all parents bring children here
Ron: do we need to talk about stealing as a current rule;
Gary: wondering about coming in drunk?; intoxication at OCP
Kris: what falls under the category of drugs – even legal drugs could be abused;
Ron: what about “no alcohol or other intoxicants allowed on the property”
Mike: rule making is tricky and picking the right words; would argue for keeping it to a minimum number of words; no alcohol or other intoxicants is enough; minimal words, maximum efficiency
Gary: wonders about the rule of “no slander”
Ron: no one opposed to “no alcohol or other intoxicants”
Ron: “no guns or brandishing of weapons”
Philip: do we need something about “non-law enforcement”
Mike: there was a lot of discussion about “non-law enforcement”; had no idea that this applied of police – maybe needs to be discussed separately;
Philip: think we should imagine a world in which a police officer could be a part of this community – playing volleyball, doing whatever; these should all apply to police and everyone else
Gary: seems like we should have an alternative to calling to police – mediation; instead of hauling people off to jail
Philip: we could have an asterisk at the bottom to clarify that some people doing their jobs (like police, rescue, etc) might need to excluded from the rules in doing their jobs
Ron: “being alone with a child that is not your own or your grandchild”;
Kris: what about something special going on – does this include outside hours of ocp?;
Ron: what about babysitting?; have seen some pretty shady babysitting situations;
Gary: what if my sister was watching kobain; what about this
Kris: have we decided that it is just children under 18?;
Mike: a part of this is to get these things on record, so when the outside world looks in, people know that it is part of OCP – something we think about and value – this might take care of some of the wording; as soon as you start arranging babysitting, there are a whole different range of issues – if custody is given over to OCP, there are a whole host of issues that could arise;
Ron: Rachel Farrell would babysit and bring someone else’s child here; what about this issue?; what about someone’s aunt; what about when people start calling other people family but aren’t really blood relatives;
Gary: seems like if the people with the child are blood relatives, maybe this should be ok
Kris: babysitting – no adult is allowed to be alone with a child, without parental permission
Anna: first I was really against this rule, but got to thinking that there is no reason that someone babysitting should need to be alone with a child – maybe we could just be diligent about finding another person to be with us for diaper changing, screaming/going in the back room; this would allow us to keep the rule but realize that in a community, we need others to help us with our children sometimes
Philip: a lot of bad things happen even when a blood relative is involved – like the idea of Anna’s to hold us to a higher standard to keep kids safe
Mike: is it possible to make this a rule, or should it be in another list – of warnings or promises
Ron: this rule came about because as a staff, we made a conscious decision to allow sex offenders to be a part of our community because people on the sex offender registry have a very difficult time with many aspects of life; one incident with a child is too many, so the burden is on OCP to go to extreme lengths to make sure things are safe; this makes Ron see Anna’s speech about just always going above and beyond; we just make this the rule and we just always follow it here at OCP;
Mike: we could change this to a positive – “preserve and protect the safety of children at all times”;
Heather: Greigh babysits here a lot, and people leave their kids alone with her; sometimes you have to be alone with a child
Ron: for the church, the goal was always to have two people in the nursery at all times – that is just the rule of thumb now; as an ethic, if we over protect, we don’t create a situation where
Alex: agree with plain and simple rule: no child left alone with a child other than parents;
Anna: understanding even in law enforcement – they aren’t even ever alone in a room with a child; if that is a rule for them, seems like we should too; hard to imagine any reason that any adult needs to be alone with a child – you can always grab someone; strongly feel like we should keep it worded like it is
Gary: after hearing other comments, agree with the rule
Mike: the word room is not currently in the definition; apart from the wording, it is hard to come up with wording to cover everything; if we are about preserving child, anyone could be the abuser – even parents; is there a policy that we might adopt that has already been written?
Ron: culturally what happened with priests in the catholic church - turned out not to be true;
James: is there something that keeps two registered sex offenders from being alone with a child; asked alex about the camp policy
Mike: seems like there are lots of opportunities for people to be alone with a child; are we really going to take this rule seriously if someone calls Ron out about being alone with Rose in the building
Ron: we have some sort of protocol about people on the sex offender registry – our plan was to meet with a persons PO and make sure the person knows the policy of not being alone with a child; seems like we should still keep in the ability for a parent or grandparent to be alone with child here at OCP; “no adults alone with a child unless it is your child or grandchild” – parent, legal guardian, grand parent
Mike: seems like abuse comes from people closest to child; right now, the way the rule is written,
Ron: part of the reason for this rule was to give parents a piece of mind too – that we are thinking about the safety of children – so that law enforcement and social services –
Ron: the enforcement piece is important – if we don’t say parents can be alone, someone has to bring it up, and if someone has a legitimate reason to be here with a child that isn’t their own, as a dynamic democracy, we can always make an exception;
Mark: one of the things is about protecting children, but a large part is protecting an organization
Mike: the wording we are working with is: no adult alone with a child except parents, grandparents, legal guardians
Sadie: likes the wording that we don’t leave anyone out;
Ron: remembers the idea that there is a piece about parental responsibility that we should potentially be saying to all parents bring children here
Ron: do we need to talk about stealing as a current rule;
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